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Ten years ago I published the statement that I wanted Muppet fans to be “the smartest fans in the world”.  I want you to have access to an in-depth understanding of the inside workings of the Muppets because you already have a connection to them and I think you should at least be given the opportunity to gain even deeper insights as to why that attraction might be waning a bit now. There are tangible reasons as to why you might be feeling that way. That is the purpose of this post. 

If your attraction isn’t waning, then this post is likely not for you.

What prompted me to write this is seeing literally thousands of comments, and receiving as many messages and emails over the last ten years, from people like you, people who sense that Kermit the Frog’s days are numbered. In both cases most of the criticisms are from casual viewers, not deeply devoted Muppet fans.  That says to me that it’s the public at large that senses something has gone wrong.  

I am told that within the Disney performer circle – and this is important – all of these people are written off as being “haters”, and are ignored. However, it’s an awful lot of people and, honestly, the vast majority of the comments and messages I see aren’t hateful, they are discerning – there’s a big difference.  After a decade to adjust, what is before them obviously doesn’t work, and ignoring the problem increases it.

Also, there are fans who think that as long as something green with ping-pong ball eyes hops around on screen, it constitutes Kermit the Frog.  Further, sentiments are expressed essentially saying that ‘something is better than nothing’…what a sad state of affairs in memory of Jim Henson.   I love the fans, but with respect (and I DO have great respect for Muppet fans), on these couple of points you are mistaken.  

Kermit, as Jim created him, contains years of depth and growth.  Without default attention to that, do you really believe it’s Kermit just because it looks like him? He is the top of the Muppet pyramid, the spoke in the middle of the Muppet wheel around which all things Muppet revolve, and without Kermit being fully intact (with all his historical depth) there is no future for the Muppets – no new directions, no exploitative ’reboots’, nothing that nurtures the historical connection to you, the audience.  That connection as it was originally established, is vital.

Please note that I am relaunching this post after a flawed technical attempt due to unforeseen issues with the website.  If you and I have an in-person conversation you’re likely to interpret what I say differently than if you read something I have written. The interpretation of written opinions is left with the reader to add tone and attitude despite the intentions of the author. I want to say that while the handful of you who saw it and commented the first time around seemed to resonate with the content by taking it in much the way I intended, there were folks who clearly misinterpreted my intent as “egotistical” and “mean”. 

That sort of misinterpretation is bound to happen no matter what, but my hope is that deeper explanations can help. Since, evidently, skimming the surface of this issue in a blog post rather than writing an entire ‘book’ is insufficient to reach an understanding for many out there so I am taking another stab and adding more detail to the post. After decades of study and ten years outside of the Muppets, my focus here is on the dissipation of Jim Henson’s influence within what he brought into the world just as was my focus when I was on the inside. My intent is to inform, not offend by being truthful in all that I convey. This is ultimately about you gaining further understandings on the difference between true evolution and mere alteration for ‘fame and fortune’.  

That said, I have been asked innumerable times for my opinions on the topic of the present state of the Muppets, as well as Kermit, himself, because I lived on the inside of all of this for years.  What follows is for those critically thinking fans who care about why something is awry. If you are at a stage where you think we need the Muppets at any cost, this post is not for you unless you seek to gain deeper understandings of what constitutes their integrity from someone who was their primary defender.

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In the 1960’s a band called “The Buggs” was literally manufactured to copy the Beatle’s iconic sound by recording cover versions of their music.  A few years later, Alan Haney became known as being the original Elvis impersonator, again performing the songs and impersonating the voice.  Many others followed throughout the decades copying the work and style of many other groups.  The list of so-called ‘tribute bands’ goes on and on…  

None of these ‘tribute acts’ claimed to be the actual thing.  There was no attempt to make the public believe that what they were seeing and hearing was the genuine article, the actual people, themselves.  None had the depth and creative spark that brought about the respective phenomena in the first place.  Without the bonafide original having created a connection with the audience* these tribute bands are no more than impressionistic copy-cats garnering attention by pretending to be representative of something of immeasurable value.

And so we find ourselves in a world where, when we look at the Muppets, what is before us at this point is, essentially, a tribute band.  The difference?  They are claiming to be the genuine article, and you are expected to believe that.

Let me explain more:

I first became acquainted with Kermit the Frog in the mid-1960’s as he originally began to appear as a character.  He was no longer the anonymous abstract ‘thing’ Jim Henson created, but had become a frog who was developing a distinct, individual persona supplied in an ongoing way from a single individual performer* 1 .  That individuality was the basis for his achieving a connection with us, the audience, as it allowed him to evolve in a consistent and anticipated fashion over more than the two decades that followed.

Our expectation of who he had become was the result of the character being the extension of a specific performer who created the whole of him.  When Kermit spoke it had the gravitas of a direct connection with the artist underneath, and once established alterations to replace the source (Jim Henson, in this case) were literally unconscionable.

The methodology of characters emanating from one specific performer applies to all of the core Muppets, and it established WHO Kermit is.  It isn’t “Jim’s Kermit”, it’s simple Kermit and that is who connected with the world.  You know him and you expect him to be himself.  If he isn’t, you know that, as well.

I think we can all agree that the most devastating occurrence in the history of the Muppets was Jim’s unexpected death in 1990.  Even if you weren’t around during that timeframe – trust me – it was devastating.  Someday, I’ll tell you all about our last conversation about a month prior in which he discussed with me our plans for going forward.  But for now I want you all to understand that there was a second devastating and insidious turn of events that began to take hold behind the scenes in addition to losing Jim.  It stemmed from the commodification of the Muppets without the wisdom and guidance of their creator.

Technically, the Muppet characters began to be a commodity prior to Jim’s death.  Since it was necessary to assign a monetary value to them to facilitate the sale of the company to Disney, their worth had to be measured in dollar signs.  But their was a stipulation: Jim’s intent was for the characters to continue to be performed by their original performers indefinitely.  ForJim, that was at the core of their value.  

A part of his reason for selling to Disney was a trust that the characters would be protected partially through keeping this particular methodology ongoing.  That way, the individuality of each character would continue to evolve just as it had for years while maintaining their individual relationships with the fans.   I know firsthand that the rejection of this fundamental core principle within the Muppets during the negotiations of the sale was a large part of why Jim was having second thoughts about his decision to sell to Disney.

But, additionally, the Muppets becoming thought of as a brand to be bought and sold brought about what I believe to be the most devastating thing to damage the Muppets in their history outside of Jim’s death: the wholly objective corporate approach of treating the characters as ‘roles to be portrayed by actors who audition‘ rather than to continue to view them as ‘direct extensions of artistic expression from specific individual originative performers‘*.  Read that important last sentence one more time – it is a fatal error. 

Viewing the Muppets primarily as ‘roles’ began as soon as Jim was gone, and altered the perception from seeing them as individual entities who exist in our own world to being a corporate owned puppet character franchise with people hired to play them, an exterior/objective way of seeing them rather than an interior/subjective approach.  To really understand what I am saying here you have to differentiate between the interior and exterior of the characters.  In other words, the corporate thinking goes that all the years of interior development done by an originator can be replaced by simply auditioning someone who can lip-synch, approximate a voice, and focus the eyes, even if that person has no true understanding of the reasons behind why the world has a solid and loving connection with that character.

The “lets just hire someone new” mentality serves multiple purposes for corporate owners, but at the top of the list is that if bringing the Muppets to life is as simple as auditioning for them whenever you like, you are never beholden to a designated performer.  All that “depth of character” stuff has no tangible place around a boardroom table. The non-creative temporal executives in charge can hire and fire at will those who would otherwise be committed for life under the guise of ‘it’s just a role played by a hired hand’.  Trouble is, thanks to Jim’s methodology, in the case of the Muppets the performer of a character is the primary ongoing thread that runs through them indefinitely beyond owners, executives, and projects.

Make no mistake, this is a part of the thinking, a partial truth (like many purely objective corporate truths…) that ignores the ‘interior/subjective’ importance of how the deep connection with you, the audience, came about in the first place (i.e., that connection isn’t about their little green puppet, it’s about your expectation of who you have grown to care about).

As it has become the standard for on-going established characters who are well known by the fans to be recast in cattle call auditions and handed off to performers (as though they won first prize in a reality show competition), the true subjective ‘art of the Muppets’ has begun to  disappear for all time leaving the top tier Muppets to continue on based upon a list of their cliche traits that can be observed in YouTube videos – it’s all that’s left upon which to base them..  

That’s bad enough, but even worse are new ‘interpretations’ of the very characters you and I know so well.  As is standard in any production, from Broadway roles to franchise movie characters, different performers stepping into any role commonly bring their own interpretations in order to ‘make it their own’, evidently a stated goal amongst the Muppet puppeteers of today.  With no one in charge to provide knowledgeable guidance about the origins, and the Muppets viewed as ‘roles to be played’, the door remains wide open for a highly visible and recognizable soul like Kermit  (as well as all the rest) to be changed at the whim of whoever ends up underneath him. 

But I want you all to know that from day one throughout nearly three decades not once did I ever have the notion to ‘make Kermit my own’ – on the contrary.  It was absolutely vital in my process to make certain that any egotistical notion of ‘marking territory’ never happened so that Kermit remained based solely upon Jim’s foundational original*.  It had to be that way – there is no other way for what I consider to be a living, breathing persona to stay consistently convincing as it evolves.

This differs entirely from the present-day recasting process. I think what bothers me the most is the presumption that altering the qualities that you and I, as fans, connected with for decades is somehow acceptable and desirable.  My standard analogy is that the Muppets are treated like a box of Crayons or a palette of paints for the next selected person to use to draw and color their own picture.  They still do the same old stories using the same old jokes and sight gags, but without legitimate evolution**.  

It is as though producers and performers who never sat in the same space as we did with Jim are somehow qualified to redefine what Jim and the rest originated.   It’s nothing less than sheer hubristic arrogance.  Trust me – what was conceived and put forth in the late 1970s was not only ‘good enough’ to have allowed the Neo-Muppets to have jobs today, it was the biggest phenomena on the planet.  At its core, none of it is in need of so-called “re-imagining” by anyone.

We are left with no new ideas for them, only surface observations made by owners, producers, and performers.  That’s all that’s available for reference leaving the Muppets to be viewed objectively, as objects from the outside, rather than from the core of the character’s subjective hearts and minds, the original sources to which direct access has been eliminated.

Enter a big, shiny reboot of “The Muppet Show”, an idea I pitched multiple times from 2010 forward only to see it entirely ignored.  But I had very specific reasons for proposing bringing back the series at that juncture.  My reasons for placing the Muppets in their original surroundings was to give a new ensemble of Muppet Performers a familiar place to hone their historical knowledge of characters they had been gifted while working alongside Kermit who was, at that point, twenty years intact, and while they had access to the small number of people who were there in the days of origin.  

But make no mistake, this is a ‘Hail Mary’ right out of the Disney playbook used when nothing else is working – garner attention from the press by bringing in a recognizable Hollywood name to produce, and place the characters in a setting so familiar that any lack of depth and logic is more likely to go unnoticed (think “The Muppets” in 2011…it doesn’t matter whether or not you liked it, it was still the Muppets paying tribute to themselves). You will see this tactic of using the “star name” again and again (although I do believe that Seth Rogan is likely a good choice to be a show runner for a Muppet project , and I love that Emma Stone spoke of Piggy in the press as thigh she was a living actress…if only they had access to characters still operating with a basis steeped in Jim’s influence). 

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I have also been told by sources that the hope of the top performers is that after ten years this new Muppet Show reboot can be used by them to “prove” that by marketing the Muppets in front of the traditional red curtains you will believe that they are providing faithful versions of the characters.  Does that strike you as a bit disingenuous?  The expectation is that you, the viewers, have forgotten Jim and his influence, and sadly, maybe you have.  But there can not be a faithful continuation of something as unique and established as “The Muppet Show” without Kermit fully intact at the top of the pyramid, and even then servicing the other core characters is an uphill climb.  

So, at this point, I urge those of you who are savvy enough to see beyond the hype to gain the deepest possible understanding of all that Jim brought to the uniqueness of his characters that will be ignored for all time.  I don’t hate Disney, or the Hensons, or Matt (I’m the one who pushed to bring him into the Muppets at Disney in the first place).  Watch the new show, and enjoy it if you enjoy it.  Just do so with clarity that the present state of things is the product of treating the Muppets as ‘WHAT they are’ rather than as ‘WHO they are’, and it leaves us all with a result that doesn’t faithfully approach the magic and integrity of the original.

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As is standard in any production, from Broadway roles to franchise movie characters, different performers stepping into any role commonly bring their own interpretations in order to ‘make it their own’, evidently a stated goal within the Muppets of today.  With no one in charge to provide knowledgeable guidance about the origins, and the Muppets viewed as ‘roles to be played’, the door remains wide open for a highly visible and recognizable soul like Kermit  (as well as all the rest) to be changed at the whim of whoever ends up underneath him. 

But I want you all to know that from day one throughout nearly three decades not once did I ever have the notion to ‘make Kermit my own’ – on the contrary.  It was absolutely vital in my process to make certain that any egotistical notion of ‘marking territory’ never happened so that Kermit remained based solely upon Jim’s foundational original*.  It had to be that way – there is no other way for what I consider to be a living, breathing persona to stay consistently convincing as it evolves.

This differs entirely from the present-day recasting process. I think what bothers me the most is the presumption that altering the qualities that you and I, as fans, connected with for decades is somehow acceptable and desirable.  My standard analogy is that the Muppets are treated like a box of Crayons or a palette of paints for the next selected person to use to draw and color their own picture.  It is as though producers and performers who never sat in the same space as we did with Jim are somehow qualified to redefine what Jim and the rest originated.   It’s nothing less than sheer hubristic arrogance.  

Trust me – what was conceived and put forth in the late 1970s was not only ‘good enough’ to have allowed the Neo-Muppets to have jobs today, it was the biggest phenomena on the planet.  At its core, none of it is in need of so-called “re-imagining” by anyone.

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The word “channeling” gets thrown around a lot these days.   I often see the term used to indicate that someone is somehow receiving some sort of divine inspiration from someone else who has moved on or died, an originator of something whose torch is now represented by them.  I take the word channeling very seriously, and I am very aware that when I was tasked with carrying on Kermit my first and biggest challenge was to fully inhabit him in the exact same way that Jim did to the best of my ability. 

 To whatever extent I was able to preserve the core of Kermit, that ability did, indeed, rely upon so-called ‘channeling’ of all that I knew from within an interpersonal relationship with Jim*.  Without having had that direct relationship, no amount of calling my objective opinions “channeling” would have netted anything of integrity where Kermit is concerned.  To put it simply, I can attest that it is simply not possible to faithfully inhabit a character as well known and recognizable as Kermit from only being the most dedicated of fans and watching countless old videos of what the originator did prior.  

 With a definitive soul like Kermit, you know him when you’re with him just as you’d know a parent, your spouse, or a close friend, and having looked him in the eyes for decades, so do I. Think about it, if someone walks into the room wearing your best friend’s favorite shirt and talking in their general register with their accent you’re still going to know instantly that the person before you is not who you have come to know.  It cannot be stressed enough – it is vital to the Muppets that those who write for them, produce their projects, and perform them, view every aspect, every small detail, of what effects them through the eyes of the characters, themselves, as the first priority by treating them as though they are living, breathing souls*.  But first, you have to have fidelity.

A very important part of my process was to try and falsify any notion that came into my mind about Jim in the tradition of Karl Popper before applying it to Kermit*.   That simply means that I made no assumptions about what Jim did or who Jim was.  Even though he and I had worked together for a while, I put any educated hunches through vigorous examination to find evidence and data to either confirm my hunch, or rule it out.  If one is to actually achieve an internal realization of another person’s psyche, it is an extremely vital endeavor to use actual data based on direct knowledge of that originator as a sort of ‘checks and balances’ methodology.  Otherwise, self policing one’s own opinions will not magically make an opinion truth. 

Once and for all, folks, the Muppets as originally created are not defined by ‘WHAT they are’, they are defined by ‘WHO they are’ (somebody make a T-shirt…). A character like Kermit does not function with multiple performers, as versions, or as new interpretations, either simultaneously or even subsequently.  Treating The Muppets as roles is inaccurate because unlike ordinary fictional characters who live entirely in their on-screen world, the Muppets are both the characters and the actors within their films. As actors, they maintain a functioning existence in our own real world just as any other actor does often appearing as themselves both live and in television interviews. 

This isn’t George Clooney vs. Val Kilmer vs. Michael Keaton as Batman because there is no living person going on “Good Morning America” claiming to be “Batman”, an actual individual entity in this world who goes home to Wayne Manor after the interview.  Batman is an onscreen role – Kermit is a tangible present-day individual in this world, a fully realized persona with a personal lifelong history no different than that of anyone you know in your day-to-day life.  That is what you are connected with, and you are seeing the effect of all that having disintegrated.  

I have said many times in the past that I believe those of us who were giving life to the Muppets were in a sort of partnership with the audience that allows them to be brought to life.  The majority of the responsibility is on performers, but without an audience willing to suspend their disbelief, their connection to the Muppets would not exist.  ‘Who Kermit Is’ is established and should not be subject to ‘he’s doing the best he can’, or “give it more time’, or debates over one “version” vs. another “version” any more than who YOU are can be. It’s either Kermit or it isn’t.  

At a point when the audience is debating versions of Kermit, within their minds there is no longer Kermit to debate.

So you say you have trouble with the voice? Let me tell you, what is missing is a far greater loss than a voice. Virtually everything of Jim that he put into Kermit – his thought processes and timing, certain southernisms and expressions, quirks and affectations, historical references and contextual background, that slight indignant inquisitiveness, his general outlook and life philosophy, that old-fashioned understated uneasiness when things are going very wrong while still accepting it for what it is, even the manipulation style – all things that had to be observed in Jim to be understood and implemented, all things that I worked to make sure were kept alive at the core of Kermit – gone – gone for good.  Why? Because they can’t be synthesized, only passed on to the right person at the right time….and even that is a ‘maybe’.

But perhaps the most devastating loss of all is that there is no longer a basis for us to ever find out the truth of what Kermit would and should be doing next. Without Kermit continuing to be the vessel of Jim‘s influence, we have lost Jim for all time, just as without Jim‘s influence continuing within Kermit, he is lost, as well.

And while you’re rolling that thought over in your mind, take time to remember the list of those people claiming to protect Jim’s legacy who put this plan into action, and who supported it, both wholeheartedly and tacitly.

If the truth is true, then it isn’t egotistical, it’s just the truth.  It’s what is.  All of what I am sharing with you here isn’t theory, it’s tested, and despite whatever you may be absolutely certain of to the contrary I have no interest what-so-ever in being re-involved with the Muppets of today.  

That’s because I served with Kermit. I know Kermit. Kermit was a friend of mine. Folks, that green frog puppet is no Kermit.  His heart and soul are here with me…

 

1 This fundamental approach applies to all of the Muppets. I am choosing to focus specifically on Kermit the Frog as the primary original character in the brand without whom the Muppets ensemble as we have come to know it can not fully function.  He is the subject of scrutiny in the many questions I have received from fans asking for my insights into his demise.

* Key points in my process of establishing Jim Henson’s origination as the core foundational element of Kermit after Jim’s death.

**Evolution is best defined as the process of ‘transcending and including previous stages.  For that to take place within character development, it is vital for those previous foundational stages to be fully known and understood.

Comments

  • February 1, 2026
    Jordan Briskin

    I just came across this article after seeing it cross-linked on a recent opinion post on Tough Pigs, and I have to say, your observation that the corporate heads at Disney treat the Muppets like crayons or paints to be used by a succession of people hits the nail right on the head as to why I believe that the 2004/2005 sale was an egregious mistake — all the nuances and history that were developed over the decades by the original Muppet performers is ignored.

    Fundamentally, what needs to happen is for the characters’ inner substance to be recognized and brought back to the fore. Unfortunately, it’s clear to me that that won’t happen as long as the Muppets remain under the ownership of Disney; in order for the Muppets to truly “return to form,” they need to be returned to their original home at the Jim Henson Company, whose personnel actually understand how to handle them. And the sooner that said homecoming happens, the better.

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  • February 2, 2026
    Uncertain On What To Go By Here

    Kind of saw you leaving the roles of your other Muppets coming after you left the role of Ernie, no offense. But I agree that the wrong person was chosen with taking over your Muppets, since Matt Vogel already does Constantine and Kermit’s nephew Robin. You have my sympathy on what you missed out on, for instance with Beaker at the Game Awards in 2019 and Kermit doing a voice over role in Amphibia and Kermit being in the Masked Singer and the Fraggle Rock revival. Fortunately Disney has not done what they did to you with any of the other Muppeteers so far, it’s a shame though on the negative things that came from acquiring the Muppet Muppets such as your career ending and the Muppet Crossovers not still being a thing.

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  • February 2, 2026
    Connor Braaten

    Hi Steve, I just want to say that i found your post very informative and interesting. It’s clear that there need to be new things for The Muppets to do and not just rely on what came before, I think Jim Henson would want that for his creations. I think all the actors and producers involved in the new show love what made the original show special but I do think there is a need for a course correction within Muppet Studios. I’m still excited to see the new special but I’ll go in with your perspective on the special

    From a big fan, MVTO Connor.

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  • February 3, 2026
    Gary

    Hi Steve.

    Just thought I’d chime in since I’ve never really tried to before on the topic of the Muppets without Jim Henson, especially not to a true Muppet performer. I believe I was 14 when Jim Henson died. So my entire childhood was Sesame Street, all the Muppet movies, the Muppet Show. Jim Henson was the biggest creative influence on my life and his death still hurts all these years later. I remember the show after Jim’s death when Kermit was reintroduced. I recall the anxiety of hearing a “new” Kermit. And quite honestly, I rejected it. I don’t mean that as an offense. I think moreso it speaks to your point actually. Jim Henson was Kermit the Frog. Kermit the Frog was Jim Henson. Like you were saying, Kermit isn’t just a character that jumps out and does talk shows. He is, to most people and definitely children, a real personality in that strange way. Only after many years of avoiding all the post Jim Henson projects did I actually learn that you had worked with and were hand picked by Jim. Then, when I learned the art of puppetry myself, I learned its tradition and how the art is handed down. I’d say that is uniquely true for high profile icons like the Muppets. So looking at you as an apprentice to Jim and tuning back in to see how you inhabited Kermit for decades after Jim’s death, I was able to allow myself to feel some feelings watching those films you did up to your latest projects with them. I grew to understand that it was unrealistic to ever think that they would just retire Kermit the Frog. When the Muppets 2011 movie came out, while it was like you suggest a tribute, it also managed to have the kind of heart I was looking for in a revival of the Muppets. I thought that wow, Disney actually didn’t screw this one up for a change. But then… I think when you were replaced and the debut of the new Kermit happened, that really left me thinking there wasn’t much future for a Muppets with the level of integrity I grew up experiencing. Disney really still just doesn’t get it.. I don’t know much about Matt Vogel. I know he’s been involved with the Muppets for a long time. And I’m not writing to trash him, but while his voice is much improved from the cringeworthy attempt I heard earlier on, watching the most recent Jimmy Kimmel appearance, it felt very plastic and just scripted. The Muppets always felt like one crazy improv session, even when it wasn’t. This was so controlled and lifeless to me. But I weirdly couldn’t look away, and think that’s because I really really wanted to “feel something” watching it. But I think what the “new kermit” has done for me is really appreciate just how hard you worked to try and keep Kermit “Kermit.” Maybe kids these days will get into it. They don’t have the attachment that us Gen Xer’s and Millennials have to the originals. As each OG passes away it feels like that’s one less connection to the magic and humanity that I grew up with. Thanks for reading.

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  • February 4, 2026
    Kris

    People need to calm down and actually listen to what Steve is saying. He didn’t just “do a voice.” He inhabited Kermit for a very long time. He was chosen by Jim. He was there at Jim’s side for decades. If anyone has earned the right to speak on what Kermit is — not just what he sounds like, but who he is — it’s Steve.

    When Jim Henson left us in 1990, the Muppets didn’t just lose a leader — they lost the center of gravity. Like a fish out of water, they didn’t know what to do with themselves. And neither did the world. People were nervous, and honestly, rightfully so. But continuing without Jim was exactly what Jim wanted when he set the wheels in motion to sell the franchise to Disney. The fear was simple: could the heart survive the loss of the person who was the heart?

    A lot of that worry got washed away the moment audiences saw the tribute special — Fozzie and the gang trying to figure out how to honor Jim and still put on a show, and then singing Jim’s favorite song, “Just One Person.” And then Kermit walks in… and without skipping a beat, through Steve Whitmire, Kermit was still Kermit. The Muppets were still the Muppets. The heart was still there.

    Then the world lost Richard Hunt, and the worry came back — because now it wasn’t just “can they keep going,” it was “how many pillars can you pull out before the roof caves in?” But when Brian took over the “family business” and gave us The Muppet Christmas Carol, it still felt like things were on track. Things felt safe with Frank Oz and Jerry Nelson still involved — not only to carry on Jim’s legacy, but to oversee and train future Muppeteers in the nature of the Muppets.

    Because this was never just “doing a voice.” It was never just an inanimate sock on an arm with some hand movements. Each of these puppets inhabited backstory, life, mannerisms — a whole internal logic — and that can only be passed down through apprenticeship. The way David Rudman assisted Richard. The way Eric Jacobson assisted Frank. That’s how the soul gets transferred. Not by copying a sound. Not by studying clips. By being in the room while the thing is alive and learning to inhabit — to channel — these characters.

    And that’s where Steve’s post hits dead-center with what I’m saying. He wrote it after seeing literally thousands of comments from people who feel something has gone wrong — and importantly, a lot of them are casual viewers. That matters. That means it isn’t just fans being precious. It’s the public at large sensing the drift. And he points out what people inside the bubble love to do: write everyone off as “haters.” But most aren’t hateful — they’re discerning. People aren’t mad for fun; they’re reacting because the thing they loved is getting diluted right in front of them. Maybe the insiders would do better to listen to the people who love what Jim brought us, instead of a rotating group of suits trying to squeeze the sponge dry.

    Steve lays down the core rule in a way I wish everyone treated as gospel: the Muppets aren’t defined by what they are, they’re defined by who they are. And he’s blunt about the consequences of forgetting that — without Kermit being fully intact, there’s no future for the Muppets. Not “no projects.” No future. No real continuation that preserves the original connection Jim wanted.

    And Frank Oz has been saying the same thing from a different angle for years. Disney may love the Muppets, but they don’t really get them — and the fix isn’t “modernize,” or “push it,” or “make it edgier.” The fix is to go deeper into the purity of the characters. The purity of intent. The heart. That’s the part people respond to. That’s the part that makes them feel real.

    Now, I think anyone who can look at the history of the Muppets can point to a very specific period when things started to get awry: 1996, when Muppets Tonight began.

    Pointedly, I think Bill Barretta changed the Muppets. I’ve worked with Bill. I guess he’s a nice enough guy. But his characters were never Henson-like, and the voice he gave the new characters he brought along wasn’t Henson-like either. He doesn’t seem interested in honoring what was — he seems more interested in “what can we do next,” even if it bends the tone into something else entirely. And yes, I’m saying the quiet part out loud: some of this drift didn’t just “happen.” Bill is one of the only Muppeteers who also ended up with producer-level influence on these projects during the derailment era (starting in 2002). That means the sensibility wasn’t just on-screen. It had weight in the room where choices got made.

    Pepe is the clearest example. I know everyone loves him. But honestly — do you see him fitting into The Muppet Movieor Muppets Take Manhattan at all? Bill brought Pepe the Prawn in and made a Muppet that is, pointedly, very Pepe Le Pew. Sexual. Pushy. Inappropriate at times. And yes, the Muppets always skated territory that made the adults in the room chuckle with jokes that went right over kids’ heads — but there’s a difference between a clever, quick double-entendre and building a character whose whole energy just isn’t The Muppets. If you want a good example, watch Pepe on Good Morning America. Sure, it’s funny. But is it the Muppets we knew? Or is it what the Muppets started turning into?

    And if you want more insight into Bill’s view of puppets, look at The Happytime Murders — which, again, is fine for puppets if that’s what you’re trying to do. Avenue Q was a big hit. Dirty puppets are allowed to exist. But it’s another example of that same “make puppets dirty” impulse. Which is fine. But it’s not the tone Jim created. It’s not the DNA. And it’s not the Muppets.

    Combine that with the commercialization and Disney asking, “How do we market the Muppets to their core audience,” and you can almost watch the identity crisis unfold in real time. At the time they clearly thought going back to the roots — a variety show for adults — was the move. But after Muppets Tonight didn’t land the way it needed to, and Muppet Treasure Island didn’t exactly stabilize the ship, Sony comes back into the fold with Muppets from Space (another misfire). Then the Muppets basically sit dormant until Jason Segel brings them back in 2011. But by then, the tone had shifted. The “WHO” had started turning into “WHAT.” And if you go back and look at everything in the past decade and compare it to the original Muppet Show and The Muppet Movie… it’s been one misfire after another.

    And it’s ironic: Disney will do PR laps about “authentic casting” on other properties (like The Simpsons), but with the Muppets it’s treated like none of that matters — like these characters are just sock puppets anyone can put on. That is not Jim Henson. That’s the exact mindset Steve’s warning about.

    The “tribute band” analogy is the most brutal way to say what I’m dancing around: when you remove the interior continuity — the apprenticeship, the stewardship, the lived-in truth — what you get isn’t evolution. It’s imitation. It’s “something green with ping-pong ball eyes” hopping around and being treated as “good enough.” And like he says, that’s a sad state of affairs in memory of Jim. I agree.

    Sure, you might love Pepe the Prawn. But if you look at the ABC The Muppets show? It’s downright cynical. That isn’t the Muppets.

    That’s the arc to me: not one single villain, but a very specific drift in voice and intention — and once that drift starts, it’s hard to steer back. And I think this is Steve yelling into the void — with Kermit’s spirit and Jim’s spirit — that the shift the powers that be have chosen, and keep choosing, is wrong.

    Even the way they moved Matt Vogel to Kermit… Matt is a fine and gifted puppeteer. But let’s be honest: if you saw The Muppets at the Hollywood Bowl, you left asking yourself who the Kermit understudy was. And that’s what it comes across as. Not a seamless thread of lineage from Jim, to Steve, to Matt — but a corporation making a quick decision, hastily getting rid of one of the pillars that belonged to the Muppets from the beginning, acting like it’s just a voice to imitate with some green fabric.

    And that’s the whole point: the Muppets aren’t what they are. They’re who they are. If you lose that, you can keep the brand forever — but you lose the thing people actually loved. At that point — it’s just a cover band.

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    • February 8, 2026
      Brian

      Honestly, I never cared for Pepe the King Prawn. Nothing about this character makes me even remotely laugh out loud. I’ve always preferred Rizzo the Rat instead. To me, the five core Muppet characters will always be Kermit, Piggy, Fozzie, Gonzo and Rizzo. Not Pepe.. And Animal seems much better suited with the Electric Mayhem. I honestly think Disney made Animal one of the five core characters just to sell a pallet of colours for marketing purposes.

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  • February 4, 2026
    KDRC

    Dear, dear Steve,

    That was not a typo. I am so grateful for your portrayal of Kermit. It speaks to your excellent character that you allow people to make mean criticisms here, which you reply to. I found out about this post after others began to criticize it, after I had already predicted on my own channel, that the latest Disney product, to be released later today, is going to be trash. Here is a link that you can remove if you want, as it is only there to indicate to you that I predicted the show will be trash:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SMCMDnowyY&t=205s

    My feeling is that the majority of Muppet fans, those at ToughPigs included, don’t really get it, or are missing something.

    Folks can love the Muppets and put in a lot of work documenting them, yet miss the deeper and more important qualities, missing the forest for the trees. My imagining of what it must have been like to work with Jim is pretty much spoken to in your post, with it dovetailing the other recollections from the core team, over the years.

    The fact that you were selected by Jim as a performer, brought in closer and raised up and were part of the original gang, should have made you a cherished performer to have. No way should you have been fired. I do not imagine you were appearing late, drunk, causing fights or doing anything else disruptive or illegal. Having problems with the scripts for a character you did not own? I bet you provided loads of notes. That is why they fired you. The people who own Kermit in name, simply did and do not care.

    You appreciate your experience with Jim and were trying to preserve as much of it as you possibly could. That was a problem for the owners of the character, yet not a big one. Easier to just go ahead and fire you, with no ultimatum. That shows no love for Kermit on their part.

    I agree with you completely. The Muppets are more than a little off, they are far removed from what they once were. Do they look the same, and sound sort of close? Yes. That is good enough, for most people, as the work the original gang gave us is slowly buried with new projects. The analogy of a tribute band, fits. Same thing as KISS finishing their most recent farewell tour with only two original members and the substitutes wearing the same costumes as the real members and no personas of their own, assisted by backing tracks. That is what the Muppets are, today.

    That is not an insult to the remaining core members, it just speaks to what the Muppets have become.

    The fact that Disney has no love for the characters, as shown by shutting down the Muppet 3D attraction, which could have been turned into something else or refurbished, is what I notice the most.

    Firing you shows no love. If there is no love, there are no Muppets. It manifests itself in a lesser depiction of Kermit, yet it means there is no love. Jim loved his core performers and his audience. Those descriptions both fit you, as a fan and as somebody who got to work with him. Jim loved you.

    When you got fired, the comments from the Henson heirs were cruel and not necessary. If you had been showing up drunk, and needed to be fired, Jim might have said, “It is a bad situation and I do not want to talk about it, thanks.”

    Jim would only have fired you if he was forced to. Disney was not forced to do it. How they acted towards you after they did, shows no love. The decisions taken regarding the Muppets by Disney since that time shows no love.

    The magic was love, and Jim’s special ability to find the right people to be part of his core group, and he loved them. That love carried to the Muppet characters.

    Jim passed unexpectedly. The love remained, but Disney never cared, and they ignored it, and replaced it with other things. One of those things is yet another reboot of the Muppets, and it is not real. It was made with no love, so it is impossible for it to be a real Muppet project.

    You are not tearing down anybody, you are standing up for what was, and what remains. Kermit’s heart and soul are with you, not the Disney product. What they are making now, is not connected to Jim. It would be a disservice to him not to say so, or to celebrate the Disney product as the genuine article, which it is not.

    Your post reminds us of where the warm candle of love survives.

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  • February 6, 2026
    Different Brandon

    Muppets Tonight is sitting at home, drinking alone and muttering, “Fools, I’ve had the solution for thirty years. Same world, same attitude, new characters to carry the torch. But you won’t even put my reruns on the air.”

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  • February 7, 2026
    Dana

    Thank you for keeping Kermit alive for as long as you could. Disney executives aren’t artists and they don’t have the capacity to honor true craft and artistry. When I watched the new special I just felt sad, and an Internet search brought me here to truly understand why. It is a true shame because the world could really use the Muppets right now. I loved Kermit and I am grateful for all the work you did to honor Jim’s legacy.

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  • February 8, 2026
    Marni Hill

    A decade ago (already???), I was writing entire blog posts defending you and your philosophy of the Muppets. I still agree with almost all of it, I still miss Kermit and Rizzo as you performed them, but most of all, I miss the Muppet fandom as it was before the news of your firing imploded it. The fandom was set on fire and in hindsight, I recognise my part in stoking the flames and allowing it to burn more than necessary. It’s why I now sit on the outskirts and enjoy the Muppets from a distance.

    There is something admirable in your continued love and dedication to Jim’s legacy, but this post and singling out Joe Hennes (not a fan of his post either to be fair) feels like an attempt to re-start that fire that’s been cold and dead for ten years. I still agree with a lot of your points, but the execution reminds me of the angry and bitter 19 year old I was when I went to bat for you. The 29 year old me looks back on that immature girl and cringes.

    No one can or should stop you from speaking your truth, but this post doesn’t reflect the kind, easygoing Steve Whitmire I’ve come to know through the testimonies of some of your fellow Performers and various fans.

    Yes, the new crew didn’t know Jim. I still believe they have nothing but the best intentions for these characters. My opinion of the Muppet Show special is that it missed the mark in multiple ways, but the love is clearly there and should they get the chance to do it again, they will improve. You can’t say there’s love behind Star Wars or Marvel or any other long-running franchise that has been reduced to nothing but corporate slop. The Muppets are far from that point because the people currently in place don’t want that to happen.

    I sincerely hope this doesn’t destroy the good-natured, long-distance rapport we’ve had, but as you must speak your peace, I must speak mine. I wouldn’t be writing this if I didn’t care about you. Please don’t turn into the bitter person Disney claimed you were fired for being.

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    • February 11, 2026
      Steve Whitmire

      So funny…There is no venom in the post from me at all. I have been asked nonstop about why I think Kermit isn’t Kermit anymore, and after so many messages and emails I am answering based upon my experiences. Try re-reading the post through a lens of my stating all of this in a calm sincere voice. It’s so easy for words to come across differently in print than in person. No change in me, Marni, just an ongoing desire to always speak up for Jim in his absence.

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    • February 12, 2026
      Maalik Naiem

      Well said, Marni. For what it is worth, I did admire your efforts to defend Steve back then, and I don’t really blame you for how divided the fandom is over this. I also did defend Steve in the past, but I also have to agree it feels like he is attempting to reignite the Internet drama surrounding his firing from the Muppets. And I say this as someone who is firmly against both Disney and ToughPigs.

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      • February 14, 2026
        Steve Whitmire

        Dear Readers, I want to restate this one more time to clear up any misconceptions as to the purpose of my earlier post.

        I didn’t wake up on January 1st with a New Year’s resolution to somehow set the world on fire. I’m sure you’d agree that makes absolutely no sense. My post concerning Kermit is a direct response to a large number of fans who have contacted me for an educated opinion on why it is that Kermit is no longer recognizable as Kermit. Those fans are the ones who set the agenda for the post.

        I have been entirely transparent and truthful in my response as to why I believe, as they do, that this is the case after a full decade for the character to have resolved itself. This is at least eight years beyond the point where that should’ve happened, and a large majority of viewers still don’t recognize Kermit.

        My statements are not based upon anger, despair, conjecture or mere opinion. They are based upon a lifetime of immersion in the confirmation of the very topic about which I was asked to provide truth.

        Anyone and everyone can take it under consideration, or ignore it entirely.

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  • February 13, 2026
    Rachel

    Finally I was able to read the article. First I saw on Instagram that you must’ve written something which was then deleted, and so I had to wait before the website was active again.
    I am a huge Muppet fan, but most of all, I love Kermit. I know many people say they love Kermit, but for me, I have the feeling I do really love him, as if I knew him as a person and as if he was a friend who has accompanied me for many years now. So I totally understand the concept of him as a being, inside and outside the Muppets, not just a role like Batman, which the actor plays before he is himself again, in his private life.
    For me, things are very different as concerns a) the voice and b) the Jim Henson legacy, let me explain why. I live in Germany and have lived in Germany for most of my life. When The Muppet Show first started, I was too young to watch it. In Germany, everything which comes from abroad is dubbed. Which means we never get to see original films or shows, we have to wait until they are translated and dubbed and then we will see the dubbed version with different voices, often with bad synchronisation and often with a very bad translation, which often bothers me. The translations usually work better in serious films (e.g. Muppets Christmas Carol) than in funny sketches or comedy, because you can’t translate a joke or word play 1:1 into another language, sometimes you have to make up something completely different in order for it to work (e.g. “Friends“ in German is a pure catastrophe). We do have Sesame Street in Germany, but it is to totally different: some original sketches (e.g. Ernie and Bert) are included (and of course dubbed), but the whole setting is different and also involves different people which are not present in the original. So when I first came to watch the Muppet movies, I had to watch them in German and only knew Kermit’s German voice (which had changed several times, there were 3 different German voices for Kermit). The VHS films also had the German dubbing only, and when finally dvds appeared, I got hold of the English version as well because it was included. After many years, I could watch the films in the original version, and this was Steve’s voice. I bought the old Muppet Show dvds (and eventually, I was also able to see those seasons which are not available on dvd on Disney+ in Britain, since Disney + in Germany does not show them). This was when I first heard Jim’s voice. Which means Jim’s voice was the last I got to know and his Kermit (Muppet Show) was the last I got to know, too.
    When Muppets Most Wanted came out in 2014, I found a lot about it on youtube, and then it dawned on me, that in the US, apparently Kermit had been doing interviews all the time, and has been treated like a person / celebrity rather than just a Muppet. I found the newer interviews and talk shows with Steve, but also a lot of the older stuff with Jim. All this, of course, had never been known in Germany and never been shown. I was fascinated that Kermit was obviously so much more than what we got to see in Germany. I watched whatever I could find, I cried a lot when I watched Jim’s funeral service, I was impressed with Kermit’s speech about creativity, and I laughed a lot about other interviews with Kermit and / or Piggy. Suddenly I felt I had the whole insight, who the Muppets are, what exactly Muppeteers are and which impact Jim had made on the Muppets and on the world.
    When my love for Kermit was at a peak, Steve was made redundant. I was shocked and thought they can’t take it away from me. They can’t take Steve away, and especially not Kermit! How dare they! And I read all articles on Muppet Pundit to find out the background stories of all this, and was curious to know how it all went on. Even though I was so shocked about this development (and also about the things that the Hensons said about this matter), I was excited when I heard that the Muppets took the Hollywood bowl, and then later the O2 in London. I had mixed feelings, because the new Kermit was maybe not the one that I fell in love with, because the one I fell in love with was definitely Steve’s Kermit (not even Jim’s, because Jim’s Kermit was the one I got to know last). Nevertheless we bought tickets and went to see the show in London, and it was my first (and maybe only) Muppet show ever that I got to see live. I must say that Matt has improved very much since he started doing Kermit, and I am sure that for him, the situation must have been (and must still be) awful: He was suddenly hired to do the character of his life, but at the same time, some people had reservations, others hated him and even now, all those years later, they complain about the voice. I keep reading those comments on Instagram and I keep thinking: First of all, Muppeteers are not voice actors! *rolleyes*. Secondly, after all these years since Matt took over, they realise that Kermit has a different voice NOW? Therefore, these people are not the standard we should judge by, even though I understand what you, Steve, say, when you stress that they are the big crowd, the mass that misses the real Kermit. I am sure that after Jim’s death, when you took over, many people were a bit puzzled by the new voice as well. People had to deal with Jim’s death and at the same time they wanted the Muppets to continue, just like you did, understandably. I have the strong impression that by continuing Kermit and by trying to be as authentic as possible (not your own version of Kermit, but the character that Jim established), you felt you could keep Jim alive for a bit. As long as Kermit was still Kermit, the Kermit that Jim had created, Jim was not forgotten and lived on in this character, and this was and still is important. Then the Disney bosses have taken this away from you. And also from Kermit: He lost one friend (Jim) and then the other (you), which must have been hard for him, too. I remember in one of the interviews you said when you were under the couch, and Kermit was interviewed, you were sometimes surprised about what Kermit says, as if he was his own being taking over. And the audience had the same impression, I am sure. Now, with the new version of the Muppet Show, and people complaining about Kermit not being himself, you realise that part of what you were trying to retain is now gone, and other people realise this, too. As if you lost Jim all over again. The mourning about Jim’s death is still so present in your words as if it happened just recently, and from the length of your article I can tell that you really want people to understand what you mean, that you are not an embittered person who wants revenge, but you feel that nowadays, there are not many people involved who have known Jim, who have learned their jobs under his supervision and whose primary goal it is not to preserve this legacy. The Disney people certainly don’t understand this, otherwise they wouldn’t have fired you and thought just some other good Puppeteer could do the job just as well. But listen to what the people in the comments say: Many of them say that Kermit’s voice is not the real one, and THEY could do a better job than Matt. You see, they don’t get the concept either, not at all! So taking those people as reference is not a good example.
    As somebody else pointed out: When you watch the Muppet show and other bits (I never came to watch Muppets Tonight because of course it was never shown in Germany and I could not find it on dvd), and then compare, you also realise a development of character while Jim was doing Kermit and then also when you were doing Kermit. And this is perfectly ok, because we all change constantly, some people more, some less, but we also develop new character traits or mannerisms, so it is natural that Kermit also changed a bit. I do have the impression that Matt is also trying to do the best Kermit he can, and maybe also to preserve Jim’s legacy, and the other Muppeteers, some of which have been with the group for a very long time, are doing their best, too. Fortunately, Disney didn’t just exchange all the Muppeteers immediately, this would have been a disaster. Seeing this, I was indeed also hoping for a “those Muppets are better than no Muppets” – a line of thought or hope that you criticised in your article.
    It broke my heart when you ended with the conclusion that the green frog puppet that we see is not Kermit, but his heart and soul are with you. I had to cry when I read that sentence, because I can totally understand that you feel that way, and from every line that you write, I read that you are still hurting and also that you are still missing Jim terribly and have the feeling he has been taken from you (and the world) once again. But I don’t want to believe that Kermit is dead. I am also a person who doesn’t like change. I am a person who loves a 32 -year old car, and long-standing relationships to friends and partner, as well as love for the same music, the same holiday destinations etc. But if a little bit of Kermit can be preserved, I still believe it is better than nothing. (And what about this comment that is totally bashing Bill Baretta? If you didn’t like Happytime Murders, you should rather blame Brian Henson).
    Anyway, this is a complex topic and I feel I have almost written as much as you did, and maybe my comment won’t even be published. It was interesting to read Marni Hill’s view on all this, since I still know her from back then, when we discussed everything on Muppet Pundit. I agree with most of what she wrote and also with most of what you wrote. I just want to draw a different conclusion and want to keep the hope that Kermit is NOT dead. Yes, he is different, and we know why. He is not the same, you can probably see less Jim in this Kermit. But maybe I can imagine that the real Kermit is indeed with you and this one is trying to do a good job, too.

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  • February 14, 2026
    Maalik Naiem

    Steve, I don’t think I can take your side in this matter any longer. I may not agree or side with what Disney and ToughPigs are doing either, but there is also too much evidence showing that you were a difficult and territorial person to work with, especially with what this post from David Stephens is saying.

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    • February 14, 2026
      Steve Whitmire

      I am not asking or expecting anyone to “take sides”. That isn’t what any of this is about. Haven’t read the post, and probably won’t, but I am only guilty of doing all that I could to keep Jim’s influence alive and an ongoing part of the Muppets. I think that’s something we can all agree is fundamentally important, yes?

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      • February 14, 2026
        Maalik Naiem

        My point is, more people have come out and have publicly said that you were difficult to work with, and it seems to be lining up with what the Hensons said about you some years ago. I do agree that it is important to keep Jim’s influence in the Muppets, but it is far too late to do that now. Even if you had the best of intentions writing this blog post, you have lost a lot of support you still with the way you worded things. And I say this as someone who was initially willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.
        Do you honestly think this is what Frank or Dave would want you to do this?
        While I do still agree with some of your points here, I don’t think this was the right way to handle it.
        I can’t speak for Matt, but would you really be willing to throw away the years of camaraderie you had working with him over this? I’m not saying I necessarily agree with his decision to take on Kermit, but it seems he did what he felt he had to do under the circumstances.
        This is all I have to say to you. I do wish you well, but I can’t agree with your approach here.

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      • February 17, 2026
        Maalik Naiem

        Look Steve, I’ve decided to apologize for my recent remarks. I wasn’t exactly in the best mood when I wrote them, plus I also allowed myself to start to be swayed by the many negative responses to your blog post. I do accept now that this is how your stance is going to be on this matter, if even I don’t agree with all of your points (I still agree with some of them).
        When it comes to Disney, I could not care less about their future plans with the Muppets, and I refuse to watch the new “Muppet Show” special.

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