A Grande Cuppa’ Joe To Go
I love Joe Hennes. And what’s not to love? From the first time I met him nearly twenty years ago as an enthusiastic, wide eyed Muppet fanatic, I found him to be a smiling, gracious, and approachable, fellow, one of the nicest guys you’d ever wanna meet.
For any who don’t know, Joe runs an impressive fan site called Tough Pigs where Muppet fans gather behind cute little internet handles to speculate on whatever they want anonymously. I jest, but Tough Pigs is truly quite an accomplishment.
Evidently Joe felt a need to respond to a recent post of mine written to offer some clarity to the many requests for my thoughts on the state of Kermit. It seems that Joe has come to the conclusion that despite a full decade having passed I am somehow stuck at the anger stage of grief over no longer being Kermit. In fact, he’s convinced of it, going on and on.
According to Joe, he has some understanding of how I feel because he, too, ‘lost a job that his identity was wrapped up within’. I a sorry to hear of your struggles, Joe. So, he starts out with a tone that almost sounds like empathy – I’m all for more empathy in this world! But legitimate empathy involves having actual contact with another person to first know what they’re feeling. Otherwise it’s not possible to know what you are empathizing with. Joe is speculating, so what at first sounds like empathy turns out to be projection. That happens a lot these days when people assume that everyone shares their emotional temperament and reactions to situations.
Joe then immediately dismisses all opinions about the present-day situation with the character (the actual subjective point of my post…) from the discourse, leading you to his conclusion about my difficulty in “moving on” (again, projection) and the pointlessness of my post (even though I stated the reason for the post clearly). He tells us that “Anger, bargaining, and despair are unavoidable”…could it be that Joe thinks by telling you that I am ‘angry’ and ‘desperate’ you will be convinced that I am a bitter old curmudgeon and you’ll suddenly be unable to decipher truth?
What Joe doesn’t know is that I disentangled my identity from The Muppets roundabout 2005 when it was clear to me that they were going nowhere fast because of the attitude of the executives at Disney. Though I continued to try and keep Jim’s influence at the forefront of it all, it was obvious to me that I had to begin looking for other means of creative fulfillment beyond The Muppets. Joe’s ‘anger, bargaining, and despair’ are actually quite short-lived when a situation is viewed through a lens of equanimity.
Not to worry, Joe – No need to speculate about my well-being and mental health. As hard as it might be to understand both are are fully intact without my having to be a part of today’s Muppets. And no need to ‘glare’, either. The post focuses on Kermit because Kermit and his importance within the Muppet dynamic are the subject of the post. He is the character on whom hundreds of fans have asked me for my opinion.
Joe’s presumptions go on to lead him to the conclusion that I have deep desires to somehow become re-involved with The Muppets saying he cannot imagine my being happy with any Muppet project that I am not involved in. Again, this seems to be a projection of how Joe assumes someone like me would have to feel. I was always quite happy with Muppet projects prior to my involvement since they were consistent and faithful to the characters.
He also concludes that I ‘acted rashly’ and wrote the post ‘without thought’ because there were issues with the formatting. Really Joe? I suppose you probably spend a great deal of your time seated at your computer auditing your website, not something my time allows me to do. I have a life that does not afford me the time to become highly proficient in all things WordPress. My apologies, Joe, if my posts are below your standard. I suggest you try reading them for their content, not their font size.
Perhaps Joe has forgotten the depth of my involvement with the origination of so much that has sustained the Muppets thus far, and from whom my sense of that depth was gathered. I stood on the top of the mountain alongside those who brought it into being. I have no desire to reside in the valley today.
Another thing Joe might not understand is the commitment of working in service of something bigger than one’s own self. I find that lack of understanding to be the case with an awful lot of people in this world. For me, Jim Henson‘s influence is vital for The Muppets to exist, not only within the characters and projects we find them in, but in every aspect of how they are managed. Without it, it’s just a nice box of puppets. If one is willing to stand up for what they know to be true by putting literally everything in their life on the line, there are no regrets and no desires to be involved in something inferior to the original.
In the end, Joe makes my point for me. His is an entirely exterior/objective assessment of every aspect of it all, leaving him to have become a part of the ‘Muppets At Any Cost’ branch of the fan base deconstructing version after version after version. It is as though Kermit , himself, is on life support and no one is courageous enough to humanely pull the plug.
You might expect someone who has considerable time, energy, and effort, invested in a website devoted to the work of Jim Henson to be less dismissive of a knowledge base that stems directly from Jim, himself. I still think of how giddy Joe was over the access to a preview of these in-depth perspectives I related to him when he first interviewed me all those years ago. But as Joe seems to see it now, it’s just “pining for the past”.
He questions my “agenda” reducing it to a “personal outcry’, and asks why anyone would “report on the status of a company they haven’t worked for in a full decade”. If I have an “agenda”, Joe, it is to inform fans about a man whose methodologies are being forgotten within the Muppet equation. I lived this, and I really do know what I’m talking about here. As I think I made clear in my original post, inhabiting an established character with a basis of 70 years of accumulated public life can never be synthesized. It should/must be passed on. Sorry Joe, but no amount of years and no amount of screen time can somehow instill that into a person.
Maybe Joe has never been a part of the core of something so extraordinary that it is unconscionable to watch as it’s foundations erode away after being sold off and mismanaged, especially when you’ve experience being ignored on the fundamentals of how it could have worked and remained faithful. Or maybe Joe’s time working with his friends at Sesame Workshop has effected his objectivity a bit…pearls before tough swine, I suppose. Kermit might say “you can lead tough pigs to water…”.
And, oh, by the way, I still love Joe!
Allen D
No one can understand the depth of a character unless they A). Created it or B). Performed that character for almost 30 years after having the characters creator as a mentor til they prematurely passed away.
The true fans get you Steve. We get where you’re coming from. And we’re absolutely heartbroken of the way Kermits legacy has been destroyed. I’m so thankful to have gotten to grow up with you “helping” Kermit out with the things that he needed to do.
I always wanted the muppet show to come back but not with Kermit the way that he is now. It was such a treat watching clips of you doing Kermit at “muppet fest” or the Muppet show live back in 2000/2001 dates a little fuzzy to me. And during the telethon portion of the 2011 movie because it just felt like the good ol muppet show. May you have a great day sir! Looking forward to meeting you at a comic con or whatever someday!
B. M.
If you really still love Joe, as you so claim, you’d send your grievences about his article to him privately instead of putting him on blast publicly and in such a condescending manner.
Steve Whitmire
You mean like he did to me, right?…
JV Carroll
This response is extrordinarily distasteful and it serves to underline some of the points made in Joe’s oped. Also, I agree with Joe. He articulated what a lot of us fans have been feeling for nearly a decade – and with a degree of gratitude amd grace absent in whatever this blog post is supposed to be. Is this how you want to be remembered? I was your fan. I can’t imagine Kermit or Jim Henson writing this kind of stuff.
Steve Whitmire
I am not Jim Henson. There is a vast difference between being Jim and standing up for his influence after he is no longer able to do it for himself. Thank you for your thoughts…I presume you wrote a similar critique of Joe’s distasteful post characterizing my mental health from nothing but his speculative presumptions….
Natalie
Steve, I’ve always agreed with you on your opinions, and I’m not going to stop. That’s all I’m going to say. You’re the best, and don’t let anybody or anything. Bring you down because of these stupid speculations and assumptions. I love and admire you forever, Steve.
Reid
Thanks Steve:)….
Being a fan of Steve Whitmire
way before being a fan of the muppets and Jim Henson, it was reassuring to here you put that into perspective and still show love for your friend Joe. Staying true to a wonderful ideal and yourself these days is quite the task. So glad you can still do both with grace. Take care my friend…..
Looking forward to more Steve
Amanda Walters
Well said Steve! I’m so sorry that happened to you. You are so nice and you don’t deserve this nonsense. Noone has the right to accuse you of being angry, bitter because you aren’t either. As a matter of fact you are the kindest person I ever had the pleasure of metting. Joe is the one mistaken if he thinks you are allowing the fans to be angry because they don’t like Kermit’s new voice. That’s not your fault. They are olny expressing their concern with the Muppets. Thank you for listening to our voices and addressing the fans and not ignoring what is important to so many. Thank you for caring so much about the Muppets Steve! I don’t like that Joe said you were trying to start a campaign to get Matt fired. That’s not true. Why would you do that in the first place? That makes no since to me. The article you wrote was clearly about Kermit as you stated in your article. Kermit was the focus here not any other of your iconic characters! Joe also shouldn’t of talked about your “mental health”, “well being” or “unemployment”. That to me was stooping low and he was the disrespectful one here. You are the nicest person ever! There’s nothing wrong with your mental health what so ever. You are most definitely employed. I met you at a few cons and you were nothing but nice to me the entire time! I think very highly of you Steve and have so much respect for you. I hope we can talk again real soon! Thank you for being my hero, as always! Cheers to a good cup of Joe! Love always Amanda!
Brian
Cheers, Steve, for taking on the toxic Muppet fans. It’s about time someone spoke out against their behavior. I’ve had my own share of negative experiences with Muppet fan sites, and I’ve come to realize that some fans just can’t handle differing opinions. They can be pretty scary, to be honest. It best to steer clear of them.
Benjamin
Yes! The viciousness of certain posts really surprises me since they come from people who claim to love the Muppets and what they stand for. I’ve only ever found Steve’s posts to be thoughtfully crafted expressions of his experiences and observations. While he may point out issues he’s unhappy with and express criticisms, I’ve never found his posts to be attacks on people. But, boy howdy does he get some vitriol thrown at him!
Steve Whitmire
I think most of the hatred comes from people who don’t understand what I am actually conveying.
Bryant
Hello, Steve. Curious, what do you think of the recent 2026 Muppet Show outing?
Steve Whitmire
This is an entire post! Will answer ASAP…-S
Kevin Astin
Look Steve,
For the record, I’m not defending Joe;
Mikey
Steve, there’s lots of toxic people in every fandom. Good on you for calling them out.
Rachel
Can we see what Joe wrote, so we understand what you are referring to? (a link)? I could not find anything on Tough pigs.
Steve Whitmire
Sorry, Rachel. I do not have a link to his post.
Ariel
Unless someone is a fan of yours, this really comes off as horrible. Petty, childish, and unusually hurt. I read this from a link from a positive post about it on Reddit, and came away just kinda sad for you.
Steve Whitmire
Your thoughts are welcome and noted. Though there is obviously some sarcasm in the post, when I say that I ‘love Joe’, I mean it sincerely. What little I know of him has always been positive. I don’t see that as “childish” or “petty”.
I can only presume that you have read the patronizing and dismissive critique Joe wrote about me while ignoring the depth of my post altogether, and that you will have commented to him in like kind. Joe is not a bad person at all. He simply ignored the meat of my points because he does not have the experience of seeing the Muppets beyond the objective view of a fan.
Stan
Joe Hennes needs to stop gatekeeping the Muppets. His website is overrated and maybe we should have it taken down. In Steve We Trust